those were the days my friend

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I know we've had this discussion before, Vic, but I really think you should reconsider freezing him out altogether. You cannot argue with a person who is fundamentally (and perhaps deliberately) unreasonable. Or who believes they have a God given right to lay down the law to everyone else. (This thread is a digression! Schubert's trios are the "most rewarding" - fact.)

Freeze him out and let him feel the chill wind of a well-earned isolation.

 

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c hris johnson wrote:

Chris to son: Ah! Those were the days.....

Son to Chris: Dad, you're getting old!

Chris to son: I won't tell you again, put that poster of Mary Hopkin back where you found it!

JKH

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"Digression is a normal part of conversation". Eventually, we've got the "end". So, who cares about the "means"? We simply discuss "something" (!) with "someone". So, what's the big deal with a little digression here and there, even if we debate on something specific in a specialised forum?

I know you get me wrong, Vic, but that's not surprising at all. If we meet somewhere and we have to chat, I will not mind jumping on various issues and trying to cover anything of mutual (or even unilateral) interest. However, here, we do not simply chat, using the subject of a thread as a "vaulting horse" to digress at will. I can understand that digression is entertaining, maybe refreshing, relaxing, positive to you and some other members, but it does not offer anything to the subject of the thread or the purpose of the forum. On the contrary, it can be, sometimes, even damaging.

Anyway, those were the days, my friend. As we grow older and older, we might have to focus a bit more...on the Chamber Music of Mendelssohn, perhaps.

Parla

 

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Thanks Vic for mentioning the composers' working methods thread as a good example of respectful dialogue, or should I say dialogue being conducted respectfully!

Parla - digression is a normal element of spoken and indeed written discourse. The way I see it, the thread on composers' working methods did not digress exactly when speaking about religious sources of inspiration because it is a logical step to broaden outwards from working methods to discuss what might or might not inspire the artist to create - whether you call that the God equation or the God delusion depends on your point of view. That's why I said I was happy on page 3 of that thread having skimmed it back again this am for people to take it where they wanted.

Does digression not also occur in music Parla? I would argue that it does, albeit crafted digression. What is the B section in the sonata rondo of a Haydn symphony? (which I'm sure you know is structured ABACABA, the simpler rondo being just ABACA. The B section is often a pleaseant kind of digression or interlude, not intended to be as thematically strong and memorable as the A.

As far as verbal discourse is concerned, how many times have we all sat in a debate, talk, meeting, presentation, seminar etc...and found that we can digress alright, but those digressions are usually relevant because they are connected to the original topic.

Parla, your view that digression is not somehow correct is a bit odd, but then you do have a tendency to be prescriptive in many things!

Incidentally, although as I said at the time that thread is only a small-scale piece of research, I did find that certain patterns were beginning to emerge...whether write in head then write it down, or map out in total length and length of sections, or voyage of discovery - the piece has free will and all that. For me there is also the big issue that creative artists often feel in touch with something 'other', whether that be God or not-God, mystical or oceanic or whatever label the artist defines it as...

Mark

PS A digression Parla - a QUIZ question -

Which famous novel ends in the middle of a sentence and begins in the middle of the same sentence, thus looping back from end to start...?

Perhaps the whole novel is one big digression Parla. I'll bet the author of that wonderful mind-boggling piece in March's issue on The Rite of Spring knows. Come on Philip! I have to be honest I have not read it, though I have the highest regard for other works by the same. It's syntactical oddities put me off. There's a clue.

Fraz Jo - disapntd. Bn ringin this grl al week. No ansr...looks lke she changed her mnd. O well...Ldwg...

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janeeliotgardiner wrote:

Parla's Wake

Finnegan Beginnagen.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

H

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Just had a text from parla. Please to remember this is forum for the discussing of The Classical Musicke!

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It seems music has its place in this forum but its place isn't here. Since this is a circular thread, and digression the order of the day, how about the following harmless digression, an opportunity for some point scoring (no not the kind you're thinking of!):

Rate your favourite five threads of recent years, awarding points out of ten. In common with normal practice, you are not permitted to nominate one of your own.

The winner of the most accolades will be admitted to the Not-the-Gramophone Hall of Fame.

Chris

 

Chris A.Gnostic

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Didn't Michael Finnegan grow whiskers on his chinnegan?

God you two! Our parents knew the same rhymes!

Finnegan's Wake it is, you top swots!

Mark

 

Fraz Jo - disapntd. Bn ringin this grl al week. No ansr...looks lke she changed her mnd. O well...Ldwg...

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Just had a text from parla. Please to remember this is forum for the discussing of The Classical Musicke!

Seemples!

Fraz Jo - disapntd. Bn ringin this grl al week. No ansr...looks lke she changed her mnd. O well...Ldwg...

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OMG! I've just had, as Rob said, one of those replies saying my post has been sent off the the United Nations as a potential threat to world peace...

Didn't Michael Finnegan grow whiskers on his chinnegan?

God! Did our parents know the same rhymes?

Finnegans' Wake it is you top swots! You will both be called out in assembly and presented with certificates...

Fraz Jo - disapntd. Bn ringin this grl al week. No ansr...looks lke she changed her mnd. O well...Ldwg...

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