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Well, well, well. Haunting or haunted. Fascinating! I think we have to resolve the "name" issue (or game), first, before I get to the substance, which, under the circumstances, doesn't make too much sense, at least to me.

Anyway, let's see where this thread may lead us.

Parla

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parla wrote:

  Fascinating!   doesn't make too much sense, at least to me.

 Parla

Any theories to bring to bear on this little conundrum Parla?

Vic.

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VicJayL wrote:

 

 There I was in the shower

 Vic.

Victor, I happen to be called Victor and I happen to be gay, It's quite common really. Anyway enough talk about homosexuality as it has absolutley nothing to do with this topic and back to Benjamen Britten. The Gardiner sounds like a good option perhaps I'll give that a try.

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I guess, Vic Jay, the riddle has been resolved by the author. Now, perhaps, you have to explain (to anybody interested, not necessarily to me) what this Jay may hide...

As for you Vic Gay, you may try also the War Requiem with Norrington too on Hanssler, while soon, van Zweden has a new apparently very impressive one (in SACD sound) on Challenge.

Further suggestions as the thread advances. However, you seem a bit lost in the wilderness of Choral Music. You need further guidance through reading, studying, learning, indulging in the variety and complexity of this genre (there is plenty of extremely wonderful music therein, including the works you have already rejected).

Parla

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VicGay wrote:

 

Victor, I happen to be called Victor and I happen to be gay, It's quite common really. Anyway enough talk about homosexuality as it has absolutley nothing to do with this topic and back to Benjamen Britten. 

Hmmm..  Mildly humorous - but sorry, it's just not credible.  You're not very good at this subterfuge business are you?  Partsong has you bang to rights, I think. 

Vic.

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parla wrote:

guess, Vic Jay, the riddle has been resolved by the author. Now, perhaps, you have to explain (to anybody interested, not necessarily to me) what this Jay may hide...

As for you Vic Gay, you may try also the War Requiem with Norrington too on Hanssler, while soon, van Zweden has a new apparently very impressive one (in SACD sound) on Challenge.

Further suggestions as the thread advances. However, you seem a bit lost in the wilderness of Choral Music. You need further guidance through reading, studying, learning, indulging in the variety and complexity of this genre (there is plenty of extremely wonderful music therein, including the works you have already rejected).

Parla

Thank you Parla for your intellegent response. I am as you put it 'lost in the wilderness' as far as choral music is concerned. The problem I find with the Mozart are the bits that aren't Mozart, however I hear there are different versions available. Perhaps I'll give one of them a try. The Janacek was a big disappointment, I don't like the solo organ, it can be so agressive. As for you VicJay you have some explaining to do. As Parla suggests, what are you hiding and why are you telling us you are taking a shower !!!

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VicGay wrote:

Spirituality and higher consciousness but not in a religious sense.

How about a good aetheist oratorio like Delius's magnum opus, A Mass Of Life, based on Nietzsche's philosophy? There have been 3 recordings, Beecham arguably the best if one doesn't mind early 50s mono sound or if stereo is a must, Groves, perhaps marginally more lively than Hickox but all are splendid. Will we see a performance this Delius anniversary year? Several black marks to Roger Wright if it doesn't appear at this year's Proms.

Beats Verdi & Britten, but I accept that may be somewhat contentious! 

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Between the Missa Solemnis and Faure's Requiem, between secular and other-worldly music, there are vast spaces. And not too churchy, no organ................. we may be left with Baa Baa Black Sheep sung by the King's Singers.

But I'll make the great and probably foolish leap of faith that this is a serious thread and offer a few random thoughts.

Certainly echo the above comments on versions. Can't believe anybody would dislike the Brahms Requiem under Kempe or Janacek's Glagolithic Mass conducted by Ancerl.

Personal favourites are:

The Haydn masses, invigorating, dramatic music with Dona Nobis Pacem endings that demand, not request, peace.

The Martin Mass for Double Choir. Martin's something of an acquired taste but well worth the effort.

Rubbra's choral works. Perhaps too churchy for this recipe but there's a private feel to Rubbra's faith.

The VW mass. A small work, but lovely.

Rachmaninov's Vespers or Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom. The Vespers are almost operatic, the Liturgy is very much in the Russian Orthodox tradition.

And I know they're rather flavour-of-the-month but you might try Whitacre and Golijov.

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Hi Tagalie!

We are singing from the same hymn sheet!

Frank Martin (one of my favourite unsung 20th C. composer heroes) - yes the mass for double a capella choir is excellent. (Mine is Hyperion with Westminster Cathedral Choir - James O'Donnell).It was that work that turned me on to Frank Martin. Strange that he apparently buried the manuscript in a bottom drawer for many years, as he considered it to be too personal a statement. I can't get my head around his Calvinism I have to admit. Apparently his end of life Requiem setting is a powerful work, though I am yet to hear it. (Tip anyone: Try Polyptique for violin and double string orchestra - 'Six images de la Passion du Christ' - mine is the ECM version -ECM 2015 with Muriel Cantoreggi, violin, German Radio Phil, Christoph Poppen conductor ECM 2008- very powerful work.) Also on the same CD is 'Maria Triptychon- -three separate works joined together - Ave Maria, Magnificat and Stabat Mater).

Haydn's late masses - wow! Though I have to admit I am not familiar with all of the last six, but the Nelson Mass is a personal favourite.Brilliant stuff.

Rubbra's Two Masses - op. 59 and 66 if I  remember - yes, especially the op.66 Saint Dominic Mass.

The big dramatic requiems are of course big statements - though I do hear the criticism that the Verdi sounds like an operatic treatment of the Requiem Mass. Ligeti said that he thought the Dies Irae was a bit too 'cartoon strip' for his liking.

(At which point, I am moving over to the Ockeghem thread. Switch channels with me!)

I hear you Vic - there are some odd types indeed. It takes all sorts I suppose!

Fraz Jo - disapntd. Bn ringin this grl al week. No ansr...looks lke she changed her mnd. O well...Ldwg...

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And I forgot to add Tagalie - heard Rach's Vespers in a late-night Prom a couple of years ago. Absolutely wonderful. It surprised me - it showed a side of the composer I did not know existed.

Mark

Fraz Jo - disapntd. Bn ringin this grl al week. No ansr...looks lke she changed her mnd. O well...Ldwg...

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