Death of a Forum.

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If this forum goes down it won't be because of Parla (who I presume is the pedant and expert referred to in above posts), nor the incomprehensible tjh, nor even the various manifestations of Brodsky. It will be because this forum never succeeded in developing a real sense of community or continuity - and I'm just as much to blame for this as anyone else, if indeed there is any blame. Nothing to do with management, just the generally accepted tone.
The old Gramophone forum, which folded six or seven years ago due mainly to technical problems, succeeded admirably where this one has failed. Parla would never have gained a foothold in the old forum without very quickly tempering his tone - Brodsky not so much as a toehold. Possibly it's just one of those things; that vital spark just didn't happen this time.

guillaume wrote:

guillaume wrote:

If this forum goes down it won't be because of Parla (who I presume is the pedant and expert referred to in above posts), nor the incomprehensible tjh, nor even the various manifestations of Brodsky. It will be because this forum never succeeded in developing a real sense of community or continuity - and I'm just as much to blame for this as anyone else, if indeed there is any blame. Nothing to do with management, just the generally accepted tone.
The old Gramophone forum, which folded six or seven years ago due mainly to technical problems, succeeded admirably where this one has failed. Parla would never have gained a foothold in the old forum without very quickly tempering his tone - Brodsky not so much as a toehold. Possibly it's just one of those things; that vital spark just didn't happen this time.

 

 

 

I felt a sense of community and continuity here Guillaume, before the fateful decline and the driving away of many posters whom I respected and enjoyed exchanging banter, views and impressions with.

 

And if on the previous forum which you praise, Parla "would never have gained a foothold", doesn't that suggest at least a degree of culpability, if your logic is followed?

 

Of course it takes more than one person to kill off a thriving forum, but I have lost count of the number of posters who cited Parla specifically as they threw up their hands and left.  This is a matter of record that anyone can examine by checking out almost any thread of a few years ago.  

 

This is a sad outcome but it was predicted by many a former long-term supporter of this once much respected and admired forum.  It used to enjoy a stature at least equal the the excellent magazine itself.  

 

 

 

 

 

VicJayL wrote:I felt a sense

VicJayL wrote:

I felt a sense of community and continuity here Guillaume, before the fateful decline and the driving away of many posters whom I respected and enjoyed exchanging banter, views and impressions with.

Whatever the precise mix of causes, there was certainly a mass exodus in a relatively short space of time. Hardly a day went by without someone packing up the tent and getting the camels loaded. Farewell, my friends. I do not know how you can bear to stay at this watering hole any longer. The stink surely offends my nostrils. 

In any case, it remains to be seen just what is going to happen to this forum. It may well be the case that is being re-vamped for a new launch. If it is closing, however, it might not be a bad idea to beef up the news and blog section - both of which are rather thinly developed at present - so discussion (even if more limited in scope) can take place in a different format. It would certainly be odd if Gramophone closed down all avenues for online participation.

old forum vs old ideas.

Very thoughtful post, Guillaume. However, allow me to assure you that Parla did not need to gain "a foothold" even in the old forum. In any case, I witnessed and experienced enough of the "old times", since I have been a member of this forum for nearly five years.

By the way, I can "adjust" my tone based on the various responses of the different posters as, I guess, most of us do.

I also believe that the last thing -and indeed the least productive- to do is to identify, let alone to...prove, the..."degree of culpability" of any poster here. The problem is in ourselves, not in others. If we need to create a community forum, let's work all of us to this end, accepting each other as we contribute to this anonymous forum.

Parla

parla wrote:

parla wrote:

The problem is in ourselves, not in others. If we need to create a community forum, let's work all of us to this end, accepting each other as we contribute to this anonymous forum.

Parla

Alright. But surely you admit that it is not easy to foster a sense of community when one particular  member pretends to be virtually omniscient when it comes to classical music? A curious and alienating imbalance is introduced into the texture of discussion in such circumstances. Obviously, it is the case that some of us know more than others in this or that field, but when when one individual member is (apparently) possessed of a near-infinite level of expertise and is able to bring a God-like judgement to each question, it does rather have the effect of stifling debate - not to mention getting up other people's noses.

Meant with good intentions, Parla. My battling days are long over. I have certainly been guilty of putting others off this forum before now with ill-judged and aggressive posts. I was hoping, perhaps, that you might want to reflect on your own contribution to the demise of this site....... 

Hope springs eternal...

Well, good luck with that one Jane.

...in a life to come.

Well-articulated post, dear Jane. I'm really impressed by the "qualities" you attributed to me!..I focus more on the "curious" rather than the "alienating" imbalance...

I thank you for all the "good intentions meant" and I also focus on your statement that "the battling days are long over". There is no need for any degree of feeling guilty for any reason. You were true in what you wished to say and that counts more than anything in a free, open forum.

I can assure you that I reflect, from time to time, on my own contribution to this forum and, as I grow older, I "adjust" my presence in this site with more flexibility, based on the threads to which I feel I can contribute and the posts to which I find myself compelled to respond. In this way, I can also accept and handle any reaction whatsoever from any poster...

Best wishes.

Parla

Death of a Forum

I abandoned the forum precisely because Parla had so relentlessly dragged discussion down to his own intellectual level.

 

 


 


 


Death of a Forum

QED

The poisoned forum.

I personally find the present condition of this previously well thought of forum very depressing. I noticed that like a few other posters, that I joined this forum over 6 years ago. Because of the ongoing death rattles, I rarely post now, but I have not retired totally from the forum.

 

Yesterday, I was browsing through many of the forum posts that are preserved on the internet archive. All of those I read, date from the halcyon days of the forum in earlier years, when the forum was alive and attracting enjoyable and informative postings.

 

I have always been surprised that this forum has never had gettogethers where members can cordially meet one another and explore classical cd stores where they still exist.

 

Within the next week there will be a gettogether in London of members of the H forum, most of whom were previously avid posters on this forum many years ago.

 

Additionally, in early August there will be a small gettogether in the San Francisco Bay Area, of a few members of the H forum. This will be the fifth US West Coast H forum. Regetably, due to recent surgery, I shall not be able to join this gettogether

where I can once again meet fellow long time interesting posters.

 

I hope my observations, and comments contained herein may possibly entice some posters to once again make this forum an interesting and rewarding experience.


I have been reading the Gramophone since 1949.  Irvine Shamrock


 


 


 



 


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