Gramophone Editor's Choice - Qobuz or Spotify?

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Too Spanish!

No doubt logic is on your side Jane, but I still love it (along with the vibrato, of course)!

I haven't heard the MTT version though.  Perhaps I should. Has he ever performed Candide?

Chris

Chris A.Gnostic

You can get a taste of the

You can get a taste of the MTT version here in this publiciity video.......gives you a very good idea of what you are getting. Singing is musical singing, but to the very highest standard (not something I really enjoy, actually); some gets quite close to operatic singing in places.

I don't know if MTT has done the whole of Candide, but he has recorded a few highlights.

parla wrote:

parla wrote:

One thing that I will never contest is his authority, particularly on his Music

Though let's not forget that Bernstein didn't orchestrate WSS. Perhaps his authority only stretches so far.......

Bernstein's orchestration

janeeliotgardiner wrote:

 

Though let's not forget that Bernstein didn't orchestrate WSS. Perhaps his authority only stretches so far.......

I think that's only partly true Jane, isn't it - though I'm not sure which parts he did orchestrate.

Chris A.Gnostic

No, I think it is completely

No, I think it is true, on the whole. It was standard procedure for Broadway musicals to be orchestrated by specialists, and rarely by the composer. WSS was orchestrated by Sid Ramin and Irwin Kostal, though they did have some discussions with Bernstein. Here's Ramin:

During the preparation of West Side Story we had what Lenny called “pre-orchestration” meetings. Although he was a master orchestrator in the true classical tradition, the modus operandi in Broadway theatre was to utilize musical arrangers. The arduous demands of the theatre did not allow composers the necessary time to orchestrate and arrange their own music. Irwin Kostal (my co-orchestrator) and I would meet with Lenny and examine every measure of the score in detail, discussing all orchestral possibilities. Although the sketches were very complete, he encouraged and welcomed all suggestions, especially the more popular musical embellishments that may not have occurred to him as a classicist. Irwin and I would return with our scores a few days later for a “post-orchestration” meeting. Red pencil in hand, Lenny would delete or add to our scores. When we had, in moments of inspiration, contributed ideas that had not been discussed, he would either say “Bravo!” or “Now, why did you do that?” Irwin and I would sometimes question Lenny about the ranges and limits of certain instruments that he suggested we use. As Broadway arrangers and orchestrators we were instinctively cautious about the ability of theatre musicians to play what Lenny wanted. He would invariably say, “Of course they can play that!” And he was right: they always did.

Thanks for that quotation

Thanks for that quotation Jane.  That description more or less ensures we'll never quite get to the bottom of the matter doesn't it!  I suspect much the same is true for Candide, where my DG set simply says 'Orchestrations by Leonard Bernstein and Hershy Kay'.

Chris A.Gnostic

Be interesting to have Parla

Be interesting to have Parla's take on all this, being as he knew Bernstein well enough to call him "Lenny "........Perhaps he has some "inside information" for us all.

janeeliotgardiner wrote:

janeeliotgardiner wrote:

Be interesting to have Parla's take on all this, being as he knew Bernstein well enough to call him "Lenny "........Perhaps he has some "inside information" for us all.

Now, now, Jane, I think I may have detected a hint of sarcasm in one or two of your recent postings! I also referred to the late Mr Bernstein as 'Lenny' although I make no claims that I met him. Now, don't get me started on Herbie....

Alright, Paul. But it would

Alright, Paul. But it would still be interesting to hear about the nature of their relationship. I can just imagine the two of them. Fifth Avenue. The 60s love revolution has turned sour. Vietnman protests, Nixon on TV, race riots. Parla and Lenny, black polar necks under their tweed jackets, a touch of silver in their quiffs, chain smoking over a score spread out on the grand piano....... 

Amazing....that's just how I

Amazing....that's just how I imagined it too!

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