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Schumann, Liszt, Busoni?

An interesting transition has occurred from Schumann to Liszt. Would Busoni be the next logical composer given the direction of things? 

Hopefully Parla could recommend some worthy recordings of Busoni or even possibly by Busoni. I know Busoni recorded on Welte-Mignon piano rolls.

goofyfoot

Digression?

I would suggest, goofyfoot, that you might have to initiate a separate thread on Busoni, who, based on the sequence you present, is a good potential target. Otherwise, it will be a digression for this thread.

Of course, in another direction of things, Brahms could be another obvious choice (sticking to the great German Romantic composers). However, that would be a rather extensive thread.

Parla

Brahms?

Parla, I can't imagine a Busoni thread containing more than a small fraction of the content that a Brahms thread would generate. As for digression, I welcome it, as it adds spontaneity in the way any normal conversation might.

 

However you make a good point, Schumann was a separate thread from this one. But if I begin a thread on Busoni, should the topic concern his earlier works or his later works? Plus, I'm at a disadvantage as Busoni is a composer and pianist that I admittedly know little about, particularily when it comes to quality recordings.

Best.

goofyfoot

Busoni, Brahms - To digress or not?

Goofyfoot, I mention the issue of digression, because the initiator of the thread is neither you nor me. Therefore, a discussion on several recordings and works of Busoni might lead to some exchanges that will digress the subject of this thread. So, I guess it is at Jane's discretion...

The reason I propose a thread either on Busoni (or on Brahms) is because you can invite as many posts as possible on any aspect of his Opus (earlier or later works, of any genre he thrived etc.) and you can develop some debate on his works and relevant recordings, as Jane successfully did with the threads on Schumann and Liszt.

Best as well.

Parla

parla wrote:

parla wrote:

Goofyfoot, I mention the issue of digression, because the initiator of the thread is neither you nor me. Therefore, a discussion on several recordings and works of Busoni might lead to some exchanges that will digress the subject of this thread. So, I guess it is at Jane's discretion...

Well, it isn't up to me. It's entirely up to goofyfoot........

As it happens, I was thinking about Busoni, too. I've recently been listening to his mammoth piano concerto and particulary enjoy the mysterious choral conclusion. I've downloaded a few other bits and pieces by him, but I can't say I really understand him yet. Brendel, again, seems to rate him very highly (in numerous references in his Collected Essays). Hamelin, on Hyperion, has recorded a three CD set called "Late Piano Music" which sounds good on preview, but I can't afford it just at the moment......

Busoni

Jane, listening to a 70 minute piano concerto is a significant undertaking! I'm personally wondering where to begin with the Busoni catalogue, my mind tells me to procure the solo piano recordings.

I understand also that his early works are more in keeping with music during his own time but that he became a neo classicist later in life. The only Busoni I have currently are some Liszt like works on a John Ogden CD.

goofyfoot

I'll have a read through

I'll have a read through Brendel's (short) essays on Busoni tonight - there are four, altogether - and see if he suggests anything.....

Busoni, the complex but intriguing...

So, since the initiator of this thread allow the digression, a bit of Busoni recordings:

Busoni, almost like Liszt, had built his reputation as a brilliant piano virtuoso and complex (up to bizarre) composer for the instrument, but he wrote very interesting works in other genres, where one might find the lyrical, the progressive, even the imaginative musician:

- Piano Music: In this rather large Opus of the music of his instrument, I trust the recent release of the 3CD set, on Hyperion, of M.A. Hamelin is one of the very best for anyone interested in Busoni's Piano Music. It is very well recorded and produced; it covers an extensive area of his works, including the Indianische Tagebuch (the first Book), the Sonatinas and most of his Late works.

For his masterpiece, the amazing Fantasia Contrappuntistica, one very safe recording is the one of Hamish Milne, in an excellent production again on Hyperion. Surprisingly, the unknown or (unsung hero) Sandro Ivo Bartoli (in one of Brilliant's very good original productions), offers an impressive account of this innovative and alluring work along with the also significant Seven Elegies.

Brilliant, again, just released a double CD with the Complete Transcriptions of Bach works by Busoni (one of the most appealing endeavours of the composer). Again the pianist is Mr. S. I. Bartoli.

- Chamber Music: I would suggest that you may give a try to his obscure String Quartets. There is a reliable and well recorded CD, on Centaur, with the Busoni Quartet. The Violin Sonatas are also worth exploring. There are some good recordings. The rather recently reissued recording on Newton with G. Fontanella and T. Salinaro serves the works quite well.

- Orchestral Works: Apart from the over the very top Piano Concerto (which I presume you have it, goofyfoot, in the Ogdon box), Hyperion has just issued his Violin Concerto, a rather modest work of about 23 minutes, in decent performances (coupled with the concerto by R. Strauss). Good recording at the usual standards of the fine label.

Naxos issued, very recently, a CD with the Concertos or the Concertante works with Winds. A rather revelatory disc.

CPO had recorded a fine disc with some of the significant symphonic works (including the quite mystique and ravishing Nocturne Symphonique), with the NDR S.O. under W. A. Albert.

Finally, I believe one has to indulge in his innovative, daring Operatic masterwork, namely Doktor Faust. Fischer-Dieskau has been identified with the role. You may choose between Boult (in the "Live' of 1959 released by LPO, but with compromised sound) or Leitner, on DG (old enough, but better served).

I hope that's enough to start with.

Parla

Hamelin

Thanks Parla and sorry Jane, I had a stressful but productive day. I've got the Hamelin/Hyperion box set on order. I'd estimate the shipping time to about five days give or take.

Parla, a lengthy list of refererred recordings and thanks! Do you have a work or have works that you prefer or at least consider worth an honorable mention?

Busoni, while no means obscure still seems to receive little attention. 

goofyfoot

Busoni: (some) Notable works.

Goofyfoot, I believe in my lenghty post I refer to some essential works, included in the respective CDs. To streamline things further:

- Piano Miusic: Fantasia Contrappuntistica and the Transcriptions of Bach's works (the Chaconne is a monumental one).

- Chamber: At least the Second Violin Sonata.

- Orchestra: a) Concertos: The Clarinet Concerto and, why not, the Violin Concerto too.

b) Orchestral: Nocturne Symphonique.

- Opera: Doctor Faust.

An indicative list, to start with.

Parla

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