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Schumann's orchestration as for the woodwinds.

Mark, you are perfectly right as for Schumann's "thick" use of the woodwinds. In the third paragraph of my post #58, I have pointed out this feature of his orchestration which is part of his use of all the instruments to contribute to the overall picture/structure/form of the work. Of course, there is the occasional individual use of some them in his orchestral writing, but this is not his "forte", to put it that way...

Parla

janeeliotgardiner wrote:

janeeliotgardiner wrote:

  Then the new Rattle version. I enjoyed the Kubelik, but the Rattle, which hasn't been well reviewed, absolutely knocked my socks off. Breathtaking precision and exhiliratingly paced.

.....Clearly and indisputably masterpiece, I would have thought.

 

Well Jane, with a review like this I have to give it a listen! 

However, I can't find it on Spotify (their search facility definitely needs some thought.  They are obviously geared up for pop, I think.)  I have tried every keyword that I can think of, and the artwork doesn't show up in the "complete" list of symphonies, so ... any tips?  Or did you buy a download?

 

Afternoon, Vic.

Afternoon, Vic.

As you may know, the Rattle Schumann is the first release on the new in-house BPO record label. It was released only as a special edition, with DVDs, cloth cover, artwork, download access to studio masters etc. All for something like £40!!! Which no-one in their right mind is going to buy. So it is unlikely to be available on Spotify etc, or as a cheap download.

Luckily, I managed to get a copy from a friend.........sorry I can't help!

Thank God. There are more recordings.

Vic, if you are interested in the Symphony more than the performance, I trust there are plenty of other recordings in Spotify. You may try one of those Paul or Chris have suggested. By chance, they (or most of them) coincide with some of mine (Sawallisch, Bernstein), but, maybe, this does not count...for you.

For whoever is interested and may trust this post, the Schumann by Rattle is a glossy and first-rate production (as Jane more or less described it), but the performances, except for the precision which is a trademark of Rattle's conducting (plus the exhilarating rhythms almost anywhere it goes), are not at the level of the classic ones (again as described not by me). For the overall product, collectors can always succumb...though.

Parla

P.S.: A much more expensive Limited Edition of the Schumann Symphonies is expected...in LP format! Definitely not for those "in right mind".

Kreiseriana!

Kreiseriana!

I started with Horowitz, Mark, but my broadband kept cutting out, so I switched to Perahia on my hard-drive. (Possibly not a bad thing in view of Perahia's typically wonderful playing.)

I thought it was a truly astounding piece of music. Extraordinarily complex and somehow not just a sequence of beautiful musical fragments. As you mentioned, it is intricately awash in inner lines and chromatic colourings. Surprisingly "jazzy" in places. I am guessing that there must be some kind of musical unity that connects the pieces, but what it is, or might be, I don't know.......In any case, it has the feel and spirit of a complete coherent work.

Going to listen again tonight........Then on to symphony number 2. (Rattle does the early version.)

Jane

Jane

Think you mean 4 not 2?

Paul

Schumann

I personally am not attracted to the repeated treatment in the Beethoven 7 & 9 (2nd mvt of both), and the 1st mvt of Bruckner 4. However, I am very fond of the Overture, Scherzo, and Finale's 2nd mvt ostinato.

Although I like the Pastoral and generally can feel the "divine" finale, I still feel let down somewhat by the theme being almost half already taken by Haydn's 100.

Op. no. will help.

I believe so too, Paul.

Jane, which Opus no. is this Symphony no.2 you refer to?

Parla

pgraber wrote:

pgraber wrote:

Jane

Think you mean 4 not 2?

Paul

Yes! 4, not 2. 

I listened to 1,4 & 2 with

I listened to 1,4 & 2 with Sawallisch on Spotify last night.  Wonderful.  A most enjoyable and satisfying session.  No. 3 tonight, and really looking forward to it.  I notice I have 2, 4 & 3 on BBC Mag. cover discs, only the No. 3 has been played more than once (Walter Weller with BBC Nat Orch of Wales) but didn't excite me like the Sawallisch set, so far - although I am generally pleased with the performance and recording quality of these freebies.

An order has been placed!  A happy find. Thanks folks!

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