Wagner and Beethoven were both admired by Hitler. Is it important who admires your music?

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Wagner and Beethoven were both admired by Hitler. Is it important who admires your music?

Or not?

Perception?..

Regardless of whether who admires what is important or not, it is irrelevant to the value of the work and the composer concerned. Besides, it would be strange if Hitler did not admire Beethoven or Wagner.

Another, perhaps pertinent, question could be: Does it matter if some of the greatest music composed (e.g. the theme of the Ode to Joy from Beethoven's Ninth) is used for some of the most trivial, degrading or alienated purposes (e.g. Clockwork Orange, the so called "anthem" of the EU and so on) ? 

Parla

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parla wrote:

Besides, it would be strange if Hitler did not admire Beethoven or Wagner.

 

That's ~ 98% of people

In particular.

So, the interesting thing is that most of the actual 98% of people admire Beethoven and Wagner too. (Hitler does not count).

Parla

A kiss to all the world

Yet Beethoven saw fit to dedicate his 3rd symphony to Napoleon. Wagner wrote of war, greed and conquest. Would Wagner not feel a little offended if Hitler had said "I lived everything you've merely dreamed of, believe me, your music speakes not of these things'. Or if he'd said to Beethoven " A kiss to all the world doesn't sound like that, I've blown kisses and raspberries to the world in reality, you know nothing Herr Ludwig" 

DarthSpinTheUltimate wrote:

DarthSpinTheUltimate wrote:

Or not?

 

Just look at Shostakovich as another example of the music mattering far more than whoever liked or hated it.   

AlanL

Music matters (when talking about composers).

...Or how Friedrich Nietzsche despised Parsifal as far as the whole text of it, but he admired most its Music. Which is what eventually matters all the way. 

Parla

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