Chailly's new Beethoven cycle and the Gramophone video interviews

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Ali Ben Sawali wrote:

Italians are not to be trusted in Beethoven.

One word: Toscanini.

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Well, some of us might feel differently: that Toscanini was a master who made todays standard bearers seem amateur by comparison. We'll have to wait and see whose names will stay in the history books.

Chris A.Gnostic

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Ali Ben Sawali wrote:

Toscanni blah blah blah. You read his name in a history book and you are fooled. Toscanni is a myth who brought organisation and discipline to the orchestra but by todays standards was an amateur. His Beethoven is like listening to a machine.

Take no notice of this deliberate provocation, we all know it's source - and the consequences of responding.

Vic.

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Correct Vic! Better back to Bach!

Chris A.Gnostic

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Ali Ben Sawali wrote:

Toscanni blah blah blah. You read his name in a history book and you are fooled. Toscanni is a myth who brought organisation and discipline to the orchestra but by todays standards was an amateur. His Beethoven is like listening to a machine.

The amateur music scene in Devon must be rather spectacular if that's the case Doc. Might even be worth a trip to catch the Exmoor Philharmonic.

JKH

JKH

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c hris johnson wrote:

Well, some of us might feel differently: that Toscanini was a master who made todays standard bearers seem amateur by comparison. We'll have to wait and see whose names will stay in the history books.

ToscannI is a good story for children to read but only that. His recording legacy is poor and inflated far above its worth. I hear nothing of Beethoven in this Italian clowns style.

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Ali Ben Sawali wrote:

ToscannI is a good story for children to read but only that. His recording legacy is poor and inflated far above its worth. I hear nothing of Beethoven in this Italian clowns style.

For those of us old enough to remember "Children's Hour": 'I'm a troll, foldy roll/ I'm a troll, foldy roll/ I have six eyes and I have six ears/ And when I cry I cry six tears."

Adrian

Toscanini

I guess that when I was a boy, I enjoyed Toscanini - because that's what we had. I need to relisten as a rather older person.

Best wishes

P

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