Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau -Schubert: Lieder

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Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau -Schubert: Lieder

Hello,

 

There are several recordings Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau ( with pianist Gerald Moore) singing Schubert''s Lieber, which cycle is the best one to get ? ( i.e the earlier recordings or the later years)

 

Regards

 

Amfortas

 

 

RE: Dietrich-Fischer Dieskau - Schubert: Lieder

Amfortas, till our good friend Chris come back from his short break (or any other Lied specialist who might follow or visit accidentally this forum), I'm afraid none can give you a very thorough reply.

Lied is not my most favourite genre, at least for the last decade. I greatly appreciate Fischer-Dieskau's Art but I do not necessarily love his voice, particularly its timbre.

However, as a long-standing collector, I can suggest that you may purchase a couple of indicative CDs from any period of this unique Lied singer's long career. There are some single CDs, on EMI, with Gerald Moore. There is a superb 4-SACD box, on the EMI Signature SACD Collection, with quite a few songs from all periods of the composer. Most of the songs are accompanied by Gerald Moore and few by Karl Engel, another eminent accompanist pianist and soloist.

Then , to judge his voice in more mature times, you may try some of his recordings in the 70s and onwards, on DG and elsewhere, with great pianists (not only Gerald Moore), such as Barenboim, Richter, Pollini (for the last two, there are two individual CDs on Orfeo from live recordings) and others. There are, recently, some new "discoveries" from his very early days, in some very good recordings, on Audite.

In general terms, his voice is much easier accepted in his earlier years. It sounds fresher, more solid and he used to sing more naturally. In his later years, his voice becomes less pleasant, its timbre obviously darker and even...uglier, but his Art got much more mature, his musical wisdom more obvious and his interpretation much more profound. So, with artists like him, you cannot get only one or few recordings. Through a rather extended discography, you have to indulge in their artistry, their musiciaship and even their...spirit!

Parla

RE: Dietrich-Fischer Dieskau - Schubert: Lieder

Hello Parla,

Thank you fro the recommendations. I have baaseline to work with now ( though I will  probably not order anything until next month).

 

Regards

 

Amfortas

RE: Dietrich-Fischer Dieskau - Schubert: Lieder

I wouldn't worry about DFD, Amfortas. Another sacred cow of the recording industry. Far too mannered for my tastes, anyway. I prefer singers who actually sing. But if you want someone to shout and spit and bark - DFD's your man. Fortunately, the tide of fashion seems to have changed and singing is now making a bit of a comeback.

RE: Dietrich-Fischer Dieskau - Schubert: Lieder

Eh! Come on Jane -that's too much. Fair enough that you don't like his singing and you find his style too mannered for your taste. So far, so good but when you go on by mocking one of the greatest Lieder singers of the 20th century, I'd suggest that in the end the only person you mock is yourself. 

Certainly there are other styles of Lieder singing but Amfortas asked about recordings of Fischer-Dieskau, and surely your response is not much help - is it?

Chris

Chris A.Gnostic

RE: Dietrich-Fischer Dieskau - Schubert: Lieder

Just teasing, Chris. I knew you'd be out there, purple cheeked with indignation, fist crashing down on the coffee table. 

I don't really like his style of singing, but I do like his voice and I do, of course, acknowledge his paramount importance in the genre.

RE: Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau -Schubert: Lieder

Thought this specifically relates to F-D and Winterreise, you might find it useful for a steer...

http://www.gramophone.co.uk/features/focus/dietrich-fischer-dieskau-and-...

Best

James J

 

 

RE: Dietrich-Fischer Dieskau - Schubert: Lieder

Hello Chris,

Thank you for response.To be honest my approach to the lieder has  been a bit haphazard in the past ( a bit of Schumann a bit of  Brahms). so I though  I put a bit more focus on the medium and look at in a bit more depth I had intended to start with the Schubert's "Die schöne Müllerin"  and then move on to the "Winterreise" later.
 
 The reason I asked about which recording I should consider for Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau, was that I counted at least 7 recording of the lieber which were made during his lifetime, so it is bit unclear which performance was the best recording to purchase. If you think there is a better way to approach Schubert's lieder, then I would be interested in your thoughts

Regards

Amfortas

RE: Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau -Schubert: Lieder

Hello James,

 

Thank you for that article very  interesting

 

Regards

 

Amfortas

RE: Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau -Schubert: Lieder

 

Sorry for the slow response.  

My favourite DF-D versions of both Schöne Müllerin and Winterreise are the recordings he made with Jörg Demus in the late 1960s.  They seem to have an ideal balance between vocal quality (not too blustery) and artistry.  As James Jolly wrote (concerning Winterreise) they were not so much liked on first release, mainly if I remember right, because of the backward balance of the piano.  This seems to have been corrected on the CDs: certainly the balance seems fine to me.  The slightly later ones with Gerald Moore are available as a 3-CD set (with Schwanengesang) for hardly more than the price of one CD. These are also very fine performances.

Fischer-Dieskau (correctly ) did not consider Schwanengesang as a cycle and also thought that Schöne Müllerin suited a tenor voice better, as do I! Indeed, DF-D stopped singing it altogether later in his career.

So for one single disc for a Schubert DF-D Desert Island, I'd choose the Winterreise with Demus, but there are also some single CDs of individual Schubert Lieder that would be strong contenders! I can suggest a few if you'd like!

Hope that helps.

Chris

Chris A.Gnostic

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