Karajan Ring Help

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Karajan Ring Help

Does anyone know anything about the Karajan Ring reissue on Eloquence? According to the Amazon reviews, it is a recent Japanese remaster, with much improved sound over previous reissues etc. The original release suffered from intrusive tape hiss, and overly wide dynamic range and a rather unfocussed orchestral picture. Amazon reviews are frequently unreliable, however, and often refer to a completely different product......

 

My Karajan Ring looks as if it might be the first CD release on DG (I don't have all the documentation to know for sure.). Anyway, can anyone confirm if this Eloquence ring really is a recent remastering? I can't find anything on it and the price is very tempting.

"Zu neuen Taten"....

Hi Jane,

 

You may wish to sample some tracks from the Eloquence highlights version on Amazon.  I was not convinced to get the set.

 

Gramophone's current revisit of the original reviews contains what the first release box should look like.  

Thanks tjh.

Thanks tjh.

 

My edition looks like my profile pic.........

Karajan Ring latest reissue: not that...eloquent.

Jane, since I collect most of the reissues of the major "Ring" recordings, I also bought this one, although I have almost any (if not all) the previous reissues of Karajan's recording on DG.

My copy, bought from jpc.de, does not have a single reference to "Japanese remastering" anywhere in the very cheap production and an extremely poor booklet (it contains only the tracks of the individual CDs, nothing else!).

In the box as well as in the booklet, there is reference only to DG, Berlin (a Universal Music Company). Everything shows it is a German product.

As for the sound, I did not find it "that improved" (it depends which reissue one has in mind). However, it is clean enough and well-balanced, not impressive anyway. I suspect the Blu ray version should be worthwhile, but it comes at a considerable cost and you should have the necessary player.

Parla

Thankyou Parla. Appreciated.

Thankyou Parla. Appreciated.

Yes, the Amazon reviews which mention this Japanese remastering also mention that there is very little info on the release. That was what made me nervous: how did they know it was remastered in Japan, if it wasn't on the CD notes?

I see that this new Blu-ray version is about £55 online. Not that expensive, I suppose. All on one disc! I had no idea Blu-ray could carry that much information. Anyway, I will have to think about it.........I don't have much time for serious listening at the moment, so it might be wasted money.

While we are on the subject,

While we are on the subject, Parla.........do you know anything about the Kempe Bayreuth 1961 set on Orfeo? Recommended or not?

A masterful Ring.

Ah, Jane, this is an altogether different story. This set by Kempe is a stunning one; a Wagnerite collector's item. Everything is to be praised from the gala of some of the best ever voices brought together in a " Ring" to the outstandingly dramatic and brilliantly colourful conducting of Kempe.

The only problem is the sound. It is mono and from the original Bayreuth tapes. However, even with the limitations of the lack of optimum sound, one can still hear and cherish this masterful interpretation of this most monumental work. For Wagnerians, not to be missed.

Parla

Thanks Parla. Had a quick

Thanks Parla. Had a quick listen on spotify. Voices sound good, but orchestra is a bit scratchy and tinny.........Quite listenable, though, I would think. Anyway, I will follow up this recommendation. Thanks.

Compromised sound of uncompromising old live performances.

In "historical" recordings, voices normally can survive, but the massive role of a Wagnerian orchestra is the likely victim of the limitations of the particular circumstances of an old and not professionally made recording. However, one can at least feel (or imagine) the actual grandeur of a stunning performance.

Parla

While we are on the subject,

While we are on the subject, Parla, what is your take on the Boulez Ring? I have to admit that I find myself warming to it more and more........Initially, I was a little put off by the general approach and the brisk timings. Also, the not especially impressive sound. But now, I am starting to like it more and more.......

Boulez Ring: One of a kind for very interested Wagnerians.

Boulez Ring is one of the most controversial ones, if not the most controversial on pure musical terms, but, at the same time, one of a kind. Normally, it grows on you and, in any case, it should be heard by anyone who is deeply and widely interested in this monumental work, as it may become a powerful (not necessarily listening) experience.

The issue with Boulez is whether Wagner's Music needs extremely clear textures, a variably colourful orchestra, unusually fast tempi and uneven singing for the sake of acting, in quite a few occasions. Another controversy lies on the issue of the singers, trying hard to be as expressive as possible, often to the detriment of their singing, while conductor Boulez provides an astonishing lack of expressivenes in Music that is traditionally impressively and convincingly supported by even excessive emotional orchestral power.

I think Boulez had been pretty much absorbed by Chereau's direction so that he might opted to support his staging of the work rather than to present a pure musical vision of it. Therefore, I believe Boulez Ring might work much more effectively on DVD rather than the pure audio CD version.

Parla

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