Karajan "The vienna Years"

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Karajan "The vienna Years"

Yesterday I bought two dics (CDs) from the Collection "The Vienna Years" with Herbert von Karajan, from EMI, and they had been really a suprise to me, the dics are:

1) Brahms Symphony Nº 2, with Mozarts masonic funeral music and Richard Strauss Methamorphoses, and...

2) Tchaikovsky "Pathetique" symphony, with "Romeo and Juliet" and Chabriers "España". Good sound for to be mono recordings from years 1946-1949, and suprisingly a moderate Brahms s symphony Nº 2 and Tchaikovskys "Pathetique", and a beautiful "España" from Chabrier, in what I think could be the only recording of this work by this conductor, or not??. Effectively the earlier Karajans recordings are the best!. Im thinking to buy all the other vols. Do you know this recordings? what do you think about them? Best regards. Excuse my english, please. oscar.olavarria

 

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Your English is fine olavarria, but your taste in conductors is poor. Karajan puts a superficial layer of sugar on everything he does. Nowhere is this more evident than in Brahms. How many sugars do you have in your coffee oscar, you do need to taste the coffee sometimes. Wake up and smell the coffee oscar olavarria.

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1:09 pm Thursday. Greetings once again from the distant island of Maui, Hawaii.

What is exactly poor about both the recordings and performances of the Karajan Viennese renditions?   Irvine Shamrock

Irvine Shamrock

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The pompous old Nazi-turned-Zen-Buddhist though he'd reincarnate as an eagle after his death. Which is funny cause I saw a snail in my garden today that looked exacly like him.

I'm with the Donut man here. Music history has so much more and better stuff to offer than the recordings of this unsympathetic, politically abject and stylistically delusional conductor.

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I have a terrific wartime performance of the Eroica, recorded in the Netherlands. Compared to his later recordings it really spits fire.

'Art doesn't need philosophers. It just needs to communicate from soul to soul.' Alejandro Jodorowsky

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Get Bruno Walter`s stereo recordings of Mozart`s masonic music as well as his recording of Brahm`s Second Symphony.You can use those Karajan discs for skeet shooting.That man loved himself way too much.The music should always come first.Conductors like Walter,Reiner,Toscanini,and Monteux, were great conductors who were devoted to the MUSIC,not to getting rich and powerful and feeding their ego like Herr Karajan.(I love both Ansermet and Paray`s rendition of Espana and Ormandy`s Metamorphosen.)

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Oh well, I'm not a huge fan of Karajan, but his early recordings are not that bad, and I wouldn't make this a political forum...

The later Karajan is more "sugar coated" but there are some wonderful and fresh performances from the 50s and early 60s on disk.

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It's amazing how much vitriol there is whenever Karajan is mentioned. Did any of you ever hear him live in concert or opera? I did - in Beethoven at a Winter Prom in 1973. It was one of the foremost experiences of my life. Do you have any specific examples of where you think there is "sheen". I have many of his recordings and cannot detect anything like it. However I do hear a tremendous maturity, energy and clarity borne out of hard experience.

Perhaps a read of Richard Osborne's superb biography should be mandatory before expressing an opinion on the subject.

Oscar - do not be put off by these negative comments. I think you will find that a lot more people will agree with your assessment. Karajan developed during his career and his recordings in the 50s, 60s and 70s were quite different, so the post war period you mentioned should be of great interest.

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I see whenever we have to deal with a persona somehow larger than life, we cannot afford him/her easily. Karajan, for whatever one my attribute to his life political convictions and conducting style, was a great conductor of an established reputation. The great thing I found quite interesting is that he made BPO to reach top form in refinement of sound, developed some of the finest soloists (working for long in the Orchestra too) and cared more than many other conductors for the sound of his recordings and the Philharmonie in Berlin.

He was not faultless and he had his ups and downs, but he created a legacy (both in performances and recordings) that has already been, across the globe, well established. Even if he manipulated the media, the latter had no problem to exploit what was in their disposal: an extraordinary talent with strong convictions and a way to push forward his ideas and views. The response of audiences and the general public as well as the worldwide sales of his recordings proved that he could did it his way!

So, Oscar, go ahead, if you find early Karajan fine for your perception. In performances, there is room for various approaches. The wider our perception, the broader our scope for accepting more different views of the same work of Music.

Parla

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Karajan was far from being a great conductor, but he was a marketable one, he had a great group of musicians bought to show East Germany how superior capitalism was. He loved the camera and he loved the marketing system that provided him with fast cars, aircraft and boats. In the 1940's the nazi's did the same and he loved them too. I am now going to close my eyes and control you all with my thoughts just as Karajan did. What a joke he was and how we were let down by a music press that swallowed his sugar coated little pill everytime the marketing machine of DG swang into action.

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I know, MD, we're far apart, but I cannot imagine how a conductor who managed to have memorable (to say the least) performances and "reference" recordings with different orchestras of the highest calibre (it was not only the BPO; he had many successful ones with VPO and Philharmonia at least), worked for various major labels (not only DG; there were successful recordings with Decca and EMI too plus...) and left his mark in the development of Classical Music cannot be considered as great.

Anyhow, I may agree that he is one of the musical figures in the Classical Music who divides more and more people, but he managed to create a tradition and leave a legacy, after all...

Parla

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