Nutcracker Recordings

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I presume, celesta, you have listened to every single existing and deleted recording of this quite popular and often recorded work (only the last couple of years we had two new SACD recordings with Jarvi and Gergiev), so that you could come to this definitive conclusion about this particular recording of 1977, that was never released on CD. If not, the last sentence was not necessary.

Parla

 

This condescending, pedantic clap-trap is a perfect example of why few bother to post here anymore.

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VicJayL wrote: This

VicJayL wrote:

This condescending, pedantic clap-trap is a perfect example of why few bother to post here anymore.

Quite. A disgraceful post by any standards.  

Nutcracker DVD

Perhaps we should all make a contribution to Parla's Christmas stocking and buy him the DVD of the 1977 broadcast of the opera on TV.

It is after all the time of good will to all people!!!!

Clap clap

I won't need it, Socrates, but thanks for the offer. I didn't contest celesta's opinion on this particlar performance/recording. It is perfectly OK and, possibly, many might agree with this preference. The last sentence does not make sense, particularly with this "IMO" at the end. Of course, the sensitive members of this forum can attribute to my post all the fine qualities they can see. It is their own privilege in this goodwill period of the year.

Happy Holidays by any standard.

 

He walks among us......as a man!

parla wrote:

I didn't contest celesta's opinion on this particlar performance/recording. It is perfectly OK and, possibly, many might agree with this preference.......

You've got to admire his expertise, whatever you think of his manners. There isn't a single nook or cranny of the repertoire he doesn't know well enough to pass judgement. No recording is too obscure; no composer too minor. He knows it all.

I sometimes wonder if we are sharing this forum with one of the immortals.........

Just a shadow...

Thanks for the "compliment", Jane, but, as I have indicated on previous occasions, I am just a shadow in a forum of anonymity. Shadows are not immortal; they come and pass by. They are not to be admired about anything and judged for their manners. As for what we share, Jane, it is only thoughts, views and so on. By the way, some "minor composers" are somehow more than that, if you dig further. Recently, I discovered (eventually) a CD with Piano Works by Pleyel. Although he is somehow praised for his Piano Trios as well as for some Chamber and Orchestral Works, his Piano Sonatas and some Rondos were worth the journey to trace this rare CD. The same applies to the Piano Quartets by Vanhal (another rare discovery). As for the recordings, I know about some obscure labels, not necessarily of recordings. Parla

Nutcracker

This was celesta's first post. My reaction to reading it was to want to hear that recording, not to consider how many other recordings on the Nutcracker have been issued since that one. But things haven't changed since I last looked at this forum. He-who-knows-everything has to put a damper on celesta's contribution and probably put an end to future ones. Nice going!

Bliss
Exaggerating.

Bliss, I do not think my post to celesta's contribution can prevent you from tracing and listening to this particular recording. I did not imply that one has to know or listen to any recording before or after this 1977 performance/recording. My only problem and reaction resulted from the last sentence of celesta's post, which is an...exaggeration, to put it mildly, and it means that one should know all the interpretations of this work to come to a sort of this conclusion.

Apparently, none was bothered by this particular sentence. So, I do not see why celesta should be put off. He/she can always contribute/respond further as any other member.

Parla

parla wrote:

parla wrote:

Bliss, I do not think my post to celesta's contribution can prevent you from tracing and listening to this particular recording. I did not imply that one has to know or listen to any recording before or after this 1977 performance/recording. My only problem and reaction resulted from the last sentence of celesta's post, which is an...exaggeration, to put it mildly, and it means that one should know all the interpretations of this work to come to a sort of this conclusion.

Apparently, none was bothered by this particular sentence. So, I do not see why celesta should be put off. He/she can always contribute/respond further as any other member.

Parla

 

 

There is a degree of insensitivity here which beggars belief!  Parla has made a misjudgement which he clearly recognises but hasn't the grace to acknowledge or even moderate.

 

What had me spluttering into my morning coffee however, was his claim to be offended by "exaggeration".  This from the man who claims personal knowledge of half of all new CD issues each month - 200 or so, if I remember his claim correctly.  

 

Parla's long history of exaggerated claims are legion, as anyone can check by revisiting threads here.  But my favourite was his claim that reissued CDs are of inferior physical quality to their original, that they deteriorate at a faster rate than full-price originals.  The "debate" began when someone praised the 10 CD box set of Thomas Tallis, reissued on Brilliant Classics. (And a gem of a collection it is.)  

 

Parla was questioned and challenged over many pages of posts and his "defence" was a masterclass of denial, obfuscation, evasion - you name it. I paraphrase his final "proof" thus: When I play reissued CDs 20 or so times I detect a falling off of sound quality.  And no one can prove that I don't.  

 

20 or so repeated listenings, presumably using originals as control comparators, retaining a memory of the degree of deterioration, while gaining expertise of 200 new CDs a month, now that's what I call exaggeration.

 

 

Moderate the temper...

Oh, Vic, what an exaggerated way to "prove" or defend what? That there was no exaggeration (to put it mildly again) in the first place from Celesta's part or that what you consider my exaggeration claims can justify a sentence like that?

To clarify some of your claims:

- There was no misjudgement from my side, so that I have to "acknowledge or moderate" it.

- I was not "offended" by Celesta's exaggeration. I just found it unecessary and wrong, if he/she cannot have full knowledge of all the other recordings.

- I do not get 200 recordings per month, every month. I said that I buy about 90-120 CD/SACDs per month, which, I choose how (and when) to listen.

- As for the inferior or "different" quality of reissued items, if you check carefully other threads (or other sources), more "experts" than me in this field claims the same thing with more details.

Anyway, I know that there is some "eloquent" people who can speak for hours about the importance of...silence. No wonder for your reaction, Vic.

In any case, let me send you my best wishes for the Season...(If you wish to accept them).

Parla

 

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