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parla wrote:

parla wrote:

 

- Vic, you are not appointed by anyone to be the Forum's Prosecutor. You may, of course, express your views on my "behaviour" but you cannot dictate what any member has to do or not to do, let alone to go all the way to throw nasty comments, arbitrary conclusions and many more.

 

 

 

Diversionary tactics.  Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, but anyone can make those claims on a public forum.  It falls to the reader of them to use common sense in analysing them.  

 

Two claims at issue have been made.  One, that Parla has personal listening experience of 90 - 120 newly issued CDs per month.  That requires between 2.5 and 3.5 hours of listening, 365 days a year.  Two, that he has listened "20 or so" times to reissued CDs and detected a deterioration in enough of them to claim that those reissues are of inferior physical quality.  (He throws out that there are studies extant that similarly prove this, but cannot name one of them.)

 

Just think for a moment of listening to enough reissued CDs, enough times, while fitting in three hours of listening to new releases (and reading up on those other 200 monthly releases in order to comment knowingly on almost every music-related post on this forum - and the only conclusion you can come to is obvious.

 

Is it "nasty" to point this out?  Perhaps. But also give a thought to the hundred or so former contributors driven away by this weird behaviour.  And then think what happened to Celesta's enthusiastic response for a loved piece of music, and how she or he is feeling now.

 

 

Vic.

Bliss wrote:

Bliss wrote:

I< I suggest to the moderator of this forum (assuming there is a moderator) that every post beginning with #21 be deleted. This is really getting out of hand and I suggest to the moderator (there is one, I hope) that every post beginning with #21 be deleted. This is really getting out of hand. We should be spending our time trying to locate the recording so brilliantly described by celesta.

 

Your discomfort is understandable Bliss, but censorship if not the style here.  Passions around mental illness are also understandable and perhaps require a gentle nudge, privately, by moderators.

 

Check out what this forum used to be like by delving into past threads, say a few years ago.  Then compare that with the wasteland of recent times.  You can have lively, passionate and varied exchanges or bland and often silent days, punctuated by the odd lengthy, pedantic lecture on what you should or should not listen to and enjoy.

 

Vic.

Vic claimed:

I see, Vic, you do not wish to let it go. Anyhow, once more, we have to go to these unecessary and definitely not that nice exchanges.

- There is no "diversionary tactics" from my side. It is quite a serious issue if one member considers that he has the right to "correct" other members, dictate what they have to do and so on. This is a quite condescending behaviour on another level, of course.

- I have claimed, in the past, that I purchase about 90 to maximum 120 CD/SACDs. I did not claim that I listened to all of them on the spot. On the contrary, whenever I had to refer to my listening experience, I stated that I always listen to specific programs of music, combining new and already known items. Listening for about four decades of this Music, I can easily detect differences with other recordings, at least in the repertory where there have been enough recordings. Besides, the last few years, in the new releases, there are quite a few reissues in different forms and formats (inferior=budget or superior=SACD/Bluray format). I buy quite a few of them as collectibles, since they can easily go out of print (e.g. I have in almost any version available Solti and Janowski's Ring).

- As for the reissues, it has already been pointed out from other serious collectors in other threads in this forum, there are not identical products vis a vis the original ones. There are very expensive transfers in SACD format (particularly here in Far East) and cheap(er) ones for budgetary purposes. 

It is interesting that you consider that ther might be something "nasty" in this holy crusade of yours, Vic. It is very touching that you care about the feelings of Celesta, who, I may presume, should be not that kind of weak person to feel hurt from a post of mine. I may also presume that you care less about other members' feelings or any..."collateral damage".

Again best wishes and let's see  when we may respect the spirit of the Season.

Parla

 

 

parla wrote:

parla wrote:

I see, Vic, you do not wish to let it go. Anyhow, once more, we have to go to these unecessary and definitely not that nice exchanges.

- There is no "diversionary tactics" from my side. It is quite a serious issue if one member considers that he has the right to "correct" other members, dictate what they have to do and so on. This is a quite condescending behaviour on another level, of course.

- I have claimed, in the past, that I purchase about 90 to maximum 120 CD/SACDs. I did not claim that I listened to all of them on the spot. On the contrary, whenever I had to refer to my listening experience, I stated that I always listen to specific programs of music, combining new and already known items. Listening for about four decades of this Music, I can easily detect differences with other recordings, at least in the repertory where there have been enough recordings. Besides, the last few years, in the new releases, there are quite a few reissues in different forms and formats (inferior=budget or superior=SACD/Bluray format). I buy quite a few of them as collectibles, since they can easily go out of print (e.g. I have in almost any version available Solti and Janowski's Ring).

- As for the reissues, it has already been pointed out from other serious collectors in other threads in this forum, there are not identical products vis a vis the original ones. There are very expensive transfers in SACD format (particularly here in Far East) and cheap(er) ones for budgetary purposes. 

It is interesting that you consider that ther might be something "nasty" in this holy crusade of yours, Vic. It is very touching that you care about the feelings of Celesta, who, I may presume, should be not that kind of weak person to feel hurt from a post of mine. I may also presume that you care less about other members' feelings or any..."collateral damage".

Again best wishes and let's see  when we may respect the spirit of the Season.

Parla

 

 

 

Paragraph 1 and 2:  Having false and deceptive claims contradicted would be seen by the perpetrator of them as unwelcome, true.

 

Paragraph 3:  So Parla does not listen to all the music he claims to have done.

 

Paragraph 4: The claim was that Parla listened to reissues "20 or so times" and detected deterioration. Some here may remember jokes about selt-destructing CDs.

 

Paragraph 5: We will probably never know how Celesta feels about Parla's attempt at humiliation, any more than those of others who have been insulted and denegrated in a similar way.

 

As for the "crusade", there is still loads of amunition in the locker.   Remember "greatness" as objective, not subjective; and proof of a god in religious classical music?  All there in the archives for anyone to read and enjoy.

 

Vic.

Vic,

Vic,

 

The expression: "Using a sledgehammer to crack a nut" comes to mind.

 

Happy Christmas to all those still standing.

 

Chris A.Gnostic

Happy Christmas to you Chris!

Happy Christmas to you Chris!! Nice surprise!

Fixation? Probably yes.

Thanks for your continued "interest" in me, Vic. You are always welcome by me to reuse the "amunition in the locker". I'm not sure who else is interested; I have a feeling that some might be bothered, annoyed or...whatever. You cannot hurt anyone in this forum with any sort of self-justified "crusade". You may simply digress any single thread you may use for this purpose to the dismay of some members or entertainment of others.

- Par 1&2: ?!

- Par. 3: I do not report here about works/recordings I do not listen and know well. I and no other member reports here about the listening experience of his/her whole collection.

- Par. 4: I wish I have not spent this not that small fortune to build this quite vast collection in about four decades, but I have. In these thousands of CDs/SACDs, there has been a good number of items I have lamented their deterioration or even loss of their original quality after repeated or simply frequent listening, the vast majority of them cheap reissues.

Par. 5: So, why do you care, if you "will probably never know". As for the "attempt at humiliation"...for a Public Prosecutor is not a surprise.

Parla

 

Welcome back!

Very welcome back, dear Chris. Eventually, a voice of sanity and wise moderation.

Many thanks for respecting and observing the spirit of this most significant Season.

Very happy Christms to you too, Chris.

Parla

c hris johnson wrote: Happy

c hris johnson wrote:

Happy Christmas to all those still standing.

Merry Christmas to you too!

I hope you are well........I remember (shortly before your disappearance) there was some talk of health issues.

Anyway, I hope you stay around this time. A little more sanity and civility is always welcome - not to mention your expertise in Bach etc

 

The LP

It was on December 20th that celesta made comment #20 on this topic. Much has been written since then but not a word has been heard from him/her. If celesta has been following the course of this topic I just want to pass on the news that I have located the 2-LP set and hope to have it soon. Thank you for your fine contribution. Merry Christmas!!

Bliss

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