Schumann symphonies.

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RE: Schumann symphonies.

Shamira,

Perhaps it would help if you could indicate which aspects of 'old style performance' are unattractive to you. Too much vibrato, the sound of the brass and woodwind, size of orchestra, or as your last post might suggest, tempi?

Of course, I realize that these are connected in some ways, but it does seem that Schumann has been refractive to HIP practices, and many such groups have given his music a wide berth (so far). One who has tried his hand is Harnoncourt. I'm a great admirer of Harnoncourt generally, but his Schumann just does not work for me. Have you tried those recordings?

Chris

Chris A.Gnostic

RE: Schumann symphonies.

Bruggen has started his cycle (apparently) on Glossa. His newly released first CD contains Symphonies 2 & 3. His Beethoven (on Glossa again) was not that alienated, but far from a "mainstream" performance. Recordings were first rate.

Parla

RE: Schumann symphonies.

Like Ganymede I don't have a full set of the Schumann symphonies, but various:

3/4 Vienna Phil Solti on Decca
1/4 Berlin Phil Kubelik plus 2 same forces Contour (released from Polydor - is that the DG set Chris?)
1/4 LSO Krips Decca

All admittedly older recordings but all fine though I haven't listened to the Schumann symphonies for a while. Time for a newer complete set from those mentioned above. Perhaps Muti.

Adrian 3 - I remember you saying Imogen Cooper was a wonderful pianist. Have you tried her Schumann Kreisleriana on Chandos new release? Got me eye on it.

Mark

Fraz Jo - disapntd. Bn ringin this grl al week. No ansr...looks lke she changed her mnd. O well...Ldwg...

RE: Schumann symphonies.

Mark,

I like those old Krips recordings too.  Concerning the Kubelik, the performances I prefer slightly were made with his 'own' Bavarian Radio Symphony Orchestra though the Berlin ones (DG, Polydor) are excellent: if you have them I wouldn't bother to duplicate them!

It seems you've survived at least two days!

Chris

Chris A.Gnostic

RE: Schumann symphonies.

The Karajan set is what you'd expect from Karajan of that period, plush sound, exciting playing, some wonderful almost pictorial effects in the Rheinische. Karajan-haters will gag but I enjoy them.

I bought the newer Zinman cycle as an antidote. Can't say it's ever clicked for me. Having just worked through the Zinman Beethoven symphonies once more I've had to conclude the conductor just isn't my cup of tea.

RE: Schumann symphonies.

Mark, I have the Kreisleriana disc with I. Cooper. It is well recorded, at the usual high standards of Chandos, but Mrs. Cooper is not at her very best (not very idiomatic or emotional performance). She is at her usual good level of pianism and musicianship, though. You may try it.

Parla

RE: Schumann symphonies.

Adrian 3 - I remember you saying Imogen Cooper was a wonderful pianist. Have you tried her Schumann Kreisleriana on Chandos new release? Got me eye on it.

Mark

My word, you've got a good memory! And thank you very much , as I had missed this Schumann release.

Adrian

RE: Schumann symphonies.

Does the old adage that Schumann couldn't orchestrate still persist? Certainly I prefer the sound of his orchestra to many others.

The advantage of the old Karajan version was that he seemed to take the couldn't care less attitude, and produced a typical thick big romantic (Brucknerian?)  sound. 

 

DSM

RE: Schumann symphonies.

 

Hi Adrian! Thanks for reply. Let me know what you think. I recently listened on youtube to Horowitz and Helene Grimaud play this work, as it's a favourite of mine. I think Horowitz absolutely nails it, and I might have been a touch critical in what I said about Helene Grimaud. (It was over on the Listening Project thread as we were about to listen to a Schumann piano work from the same period as Kreisleriana). What you said about I Cooper has stuck in my mind so I might try it!

Thanks also Parla - I note you are not so sure about this particular recording.

Mark

Fraz Jo - disapntd. Bn ringin this grl al week. No ansr...looks lke she changed her mnd. O well...Ldwg...

RE: Schumann symphonies.

Mark, it is not that I'm not that sure about this recording, but, simply Mrs. Cooper is not at her very best. The Schumann sounds better. The Brahms is a bit less convincing. You may try it though.

Parla

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