The Krips Beethoven Symphonies

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otterhouse wrote:

The LP version of the 5th is on youtube. So... what is your comment about this performance?

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=RBUATIWAEFI&vq=large

Rolf

I listened to this last night...with difficulty.

Oh, happy days...not! It sounded like an old LP played on a player of doubtful quality. The hisses, clicks and bangs, the, I assume, turntable rumble sounding like an underground train, the occasional loss of volume that gave the impression that the orchestra had been moved back a bit, no, a lot. The heavy use of the treble control to try and minimise the crackle (come on, we've all done it).

So it was difficult to judge the performance which sounded OK but would not persuade me that it had the strength and trenchancy of, say, Cluytens (one of my favourites) or the rigour of Klemperer (1956 not 1960) of roughly equal vintage to the Krips.

However, did you explore further? There is a "chamber orchestra" performance that I gave enough time to to make me realise that, in comparison to this turgid nonsense, the Krips' is a performance of blazing intensity even with the poor sound!

Ah well.

RE: The Krips Beethoven Symphonies

Well, the sound isn't that bad... Yes, no sacd quality, but you can listen *through* the clicks and pops. Then you hear a good, varied performance that never really liftes off, but a good one to start your collection with. Many of you have, and maybe on a small turntable with clicks and pops, just like in the video :)

Rolf

 

RE: The Krips Beethoven Symphonies

I had no problem with the sound, in fact I thought it was quite good through my tiny (3"x5") JBL speakers attached to the computer.  It's a good, solid European performance, better than a lot I've heard (Osmo Vanska has a particularly funereal 5th performed at the Proms with his old orchestra - the BBC Scottish Symphony.  I have no idea how his Minnesota Orchestra recording is.)

Bliss
RE: The Krips Beethoven Symphonies

I'm sorry but the sound is that bad.

Even without the typical LP faults and the rumble the sound is muffled and not even  representative of its time.

Did you know that by March 1961 there were 30 odd recordings available in the UK which included the Paris Conservatoire conducted by Carl Schuricht on Decca Ace of Clubs, ACL1?

RE: The Krips Beethoven Symphonies

Listening again to some Krips recordings the Schubert 9th deserves its accolades but I was much impressed with a Mozart Haffner & Haydn 104 with The Royal PO at the end of Beecham's reign which struck me as better than the recordings in the Decca box. They are brisk, lively, energetic performances and the RPO play quite superbly and with top notch sound I would put them with my favourite versions. The Chesky CD also includes an equally brilliant Jupiter by arch serialist and teacher of Boulez Rene Leibowitz. They are (presumably) from the RCA/Reader's Digest series produced by Charles Gerhardt & recorded by Decca's Kenneth Wilkinson.

Krips Beethoven Everest 1960

Hi Across the Pond, 

The last quality recording project of the Belock owned Everest Record label before it was dumped into a West Coast budget label club managed by Bernard Solomon a Hollywood entrepreneur.

 

By "quality" we mean

#first class world symphony orchestra

#highly experienced conductor

#superb acoustic record venue

#non pareil clarity, naturalness and warmth of the 35mm film masters

#early 3 channel stereo set up renders wide stereo imaging and rock solid soundstage with pinpoint placement of instruments and good depth

 

This cycle and the Fine Arts Quartet  complete Beethoven Quartetswere never released on the high quality vinyl pressingsa associated with the Everest Records.

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As above

Editions now

 

Vanguard CD 20bit SBM transfer (1 994 Omega Record Group) offers superb sound but complete boxsets in slipcase are rare £500-1000 and individual CDs can be anywhere up to £100.GRAB THEM.

 

Classic Records transferred quite a few of the 35mm masters to DVD-Audio but not the Beethoven in 1990. Wow and flutter was a minor issue. 

 

Countdown Media who currently owns the rights and has the Everest Classucal master tapes and 35mm film masters in its vaults in Hamburg Germany, has licensed a further transfer by greatly improved 35mm playback equipment utilising laser controls to compensate for any stretch in the masters. This is essentially the same technique used to archive in the film industry. These releases in SACD and HD downloads are being made by King Records mainlt for the Japanese domestic market. 

 

As for performance. . it's a shame generations have grown up with thw cheap and poor qyality vinyl versions and even good pressings on EMI World Record Club were only two channel dubs of the 3 channel 35mm masters. The most excryciating were the early CD versions of these by budget European labels and Gramercy in America. Remember the tin box? 

 

Get past that and you have a fully fledged cycle superbly played, condycted and recorded to live with - far better than Kegel, Klemperer or Karajan and even Haitink. 

 

VINYL LOVERS

Classic Records, while not offering DVD-Audio, did produce a lavish new VINYL 180gm in a replica linen box plus facsimile LP booklet/notes by the conductor with complimentary 45rpm mastering of the Egmont Overture. When I last looked this was about £250. Record suppliers in California may be able to help. 

 

Hope the above info helps! 

 

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