Which is the authentic Tchaikovsky??

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Which is the authentic Tchaikovsky??

I ask to you this, because recently I bought a JVC CD with Tchaikovsky's "Swan Lake" highlights, with Bolshoi's Theater Orch conducted by a conductor named Algis Zhuraitis (¿¿??), and it has been all a surprise to me!. I make to you present that my favourite version of this works has been always Pierre Monteux-London Symph, in Philips, also a selection, but from now my favourite will be Zhuraitis's version. A vibrant, dinamic, vigorous performance, and the sound... superlative! (who said that russians recorded bad??), and about the conception....dramatic, far from Monteux's, a sweetness or poematic version, or Bernstein's a sentimental conception. This recording added to Karajan's "Pathetique" version from "The Vienna Years", and Mravinsky-Leningrad Symph 4-6 symphonies version, has convinced to me that the Tchaikovsky that we knows may be not the authentic, it seems that Tchaikovsky's music han been distorted or exaggerated. Which is the real Tchaikovsky?, wich are the appropiated versions of his works? Best regards oscar.olavarria

 

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Tchaikovsky was a man of the stage and a bit of a drama queen. Some second rate ballet but some first rate opera. Everything else he wrote is pop music and easy listening tosh. If you don't like opera don't concern yourself with this lightweight. Unless you like canons and fireworks, did anyone ever write better music for canons

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Tchaikovsky's certainly dramatic, and usually easy to listen to. That doesn't make it tosh - unless you want it to be so.

Best wishes,

P

Likes the DG mono Sanderling / Mravinsky 4,5,6. Also like Janssons. having defended PIT, I haven't bought many recent recordings.

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I find myself mostly agreeing with Brodsky. Symphonies 4,5 and 6 work in the hands of Mravinsky but Tchai irritates me until you get to the operas, and particularly Onegin.

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Tagalie, have you heard Klemperer's recordings of Tchaik 4,5,6.  It's Tchaikovsky, Jim, but not as we know it!

Chris A.Gnostic

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I once sat through a performance of Tschaikovsky's 5th by our local sub-par orchestra, conducted by some young chap who tried his best, failed to notice that his best wasn't enough.

The one thing I hate more than going to concerts (sometimes I still go if it's free or when I'm invited and I can't think of a good excuse) is Tschaikowski's music - and that evening was close to the worst musical experience in my life.

(The absolute worst was a Christmas performance by a local mandolin orchestra, years ago. I still have occasional nightmares of an asynchronous tremolo version of "Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer", played on 20 badly tuned toy instruments. TRRRR TRRRRR TRR TRRRR TRRRR TRRRR TRRRRRRRRRRRRRR....)

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I've come to an opinion opposite to Oscar's, which is that presenting Tchaik as a proto-Mahler is more weight than the music can bear. I like performances which emphasis his classical roots. This is after all the composer who called Mozart "a musical Christ". Clear textures, bouncing rhythms, and audible woodwinds, please!

'Art doesn't need philosophers. It just needs to communicate from soul to soul.' Alejandro Jodorowsky

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The Mavrinsky recordings (second stereo set) are for me one of the finest set of performances of anything ever recorded. The quality and uniqueness of the playing are just so sensational that I cannot find other recordings that even come close in terms of engaging me. Onegin is also a wonderful opera - but then it is based upon an equally wonderful poem by Pushkin, so he could not do much to improve it. 'Kuda, kuda' always sounds in me head when I read Turgenev, Lermontov or Pushkin.

I would agree that Tchaikovsky does best when the classical elements are emphasised over the overtly emotional. Tchaikovsky somehow benefits from an unsentimental approach. And I make no apologies for putting on marche Slave once in while - what a friend of mine always used to term 'a jolly good shout'. 

 

Naupilus

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Oscar, I'm with you as for the Russian interpretation of Tchaikovsky and particularly with this underrated and neglected conductor (in the West) as Algis Zuraitis. I've seen him once "live" and he was absorbing and fully engaging.

Of course, I appreciate as well the more "Classical", sober, western recordings and performances, but Tchaikovsky is a Russian composer, above or after all. Mravisnky managed to combine a bit of the Western refinement in his passionate Russian interpretations. However, some very good Russian conductors can get the core of the matter out of this truly great composer, which the west (or parts of it) seems to see him only superficially. In Asia, he is fully appreciated.

Parla

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parla wrote:

Of course, I appreciate as well the more "Classical", sober, western recordings and performances, but Tchaikovsky is a Russian composer, above or after all. Mravisnky managed to combine a bit of the Western refinement in his passionate Russian interpretations. However, some very good Russian conductors can get the core of the matter out of this truly great composer, which the west (or parts of it) seems to see him only superficially.

Just to clarify, Re "Classical" performances of Tchaik, I didn't mean the bland internationalised versions so dominant in the West, but something lighter, spicier, more chamber scale. This is more a theoretical curiosity than something I've actually heard, though as an example Karajan's recordings sound quite classical next to the heavy Rostropovich cycle.

I don't know how "authentic" the 20th c. Russian tradition is in performances of Tchaik. As I recall, Russian orchestras up to mid-late 19th c were still generally under the tutelage of Italians and Germans. My theory is the Russian sound really started after 1917.

'Art doesn't need philosophers. It just needs to communicate from soul to soul.' Alejandro Jodorowsky

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