Which is the authentic Tchaikovsky??

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Russian orchestras have become more "international" (or bland?) since the Soviet Union days so for an "authentic" Swan Lake how about the absolutely complete(?) version by Rozhdestvensky & The Moscow Radio SO on 3 HMV Melodiya LPs? Ansermet too was always good at that kind of thing with his nearly complete version on 2 early Decca stereo LPs.

It's a long time since I played Klemperer's Pathetique, thanks for reminding me Chris I must dig it out sometime; I've quite forgotten what I thought of it! One of the best non Russians of No 6 I have come accross is by Fricsay/RIAS which received its first ever issue on a Speakers Corner DG facsimile LP. For some reason the conductor refused to sanction its issue but I thought it quite superb in very good sound & I think it has subsequently apeared on a DG CD.

Monteux too was good in his Boston recordings of 4, 5 & 6 & there's a good live LSO performance recorded from a concert in Vienna of No5 with Ogdon in PC 1 from the same concert (Vanguard CD) but I haven't heard the Philips Tchaikovsky Monteux/LSO mentioned by Oscar.

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"if you look at Mavrinsky's recordings and then Jansons you will notice
that both had a way of dropping below the dynamics marked (diminuendo?)
just before a climax or tutti. With Mavrinsky it sounds natural and
inspired, but for my money Janosns just sounds mannered..." (Naupilus wrote)

 

Naupilus, althought it's hard to believe it, normally the responsibles of that conceptions ar'nt the conductors, but the recordings labels, simply with the absolutely extra-musical purpose of make a more commercial and saleable product...!

In all case, about your comparison between Mravinsky and Jansons conceptions, I remember having read that when Leonard Bernstein visited the URSS in the 60s, with NY Orch, and played in St Petersburgh Tchaikovsky's 5th symphony, russians listened him with great respect and interest (soviets are a much cult people!), but at the same time with great surprise, because that wasnt the Tchaikovsky they were costumed, and it sounds to they...mannered, or femmined, to say the least....there ladies present! jajajaja (laughs) Excuse my english please! oscar.olavarria

 

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Sorry, but I think that Klemperers, Futwanglers or Toscanini in the other extreme, are not the adecuate conductors to Tchaikovskys works. Although I think firmly that music is an universal lenguage, I accept here the term "idiomatic" conduction, in sense that slavic conductors by historic reasons, his roots, customes, etc, are it seems so more appropiate than westerns musician to conduct this works....! oscar.olavarria

 

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You are right, Oscar. One of the most impressive 4th I have ever attended was with a mainstream Russian orchestra under an almost forgotten conductor, called Lazarev (along with an absolutely spectacular Cariccio Italien). However, in Berlin, Inbal gave a most memorable performance with a second rate German Orchestra. So, yes, the Russians know better and easier their subject, but, in the rest of the world, one can find some good exponents of such a popular -and rightly so- composer as Tchaikovsky.

Parla

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Indeed, Naupilus, for one thing French french horns no longer sound like euphoniums (or should that be euphonia) & they are generally more disciplined. Solti recalled in his autobiography how impossible he found French orchestras were to work with. Von K didn't seem to achieve much during his brief sojurn with l'Orchestre de Paris either (despite his declared love for the city!).

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Sorry Naupilus, how could I have forgotten!  And then I missed your post for nearly a day! Apologies. Good to know though that there was a friendly contributor who was not a figment of my imagination.

What's this hot summer in Lancashire? I don't remember it.  When I lived there they used to say, if you can see the Penines it's going to rain; if you can't see them it's because it's raining.  Greece suits me just fine. Long spring, long summer, long autumn, virtually no winter!

Chris

Chris A.Gnostic

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"in Berlin, Inbal gave a most memorable performance (of 4th) with a second rate German Orchestra..." (Parla said)

 

Im not surprised for that, Parla, because for me the 4th has -so to speak- an established interpretation, I could say about it something similar to what Claudio Arrau said once about Rachmaninov 2nd piano concert: "Have your heard a pianist that plays it bad??". For me really difficult is to find a good version from the 5th, in which  conductors frecuently falls into superficiality, vulgarity and a cheap sentimentality. The best version of this work that I've heard could be Valery Gergiev's conducting Vienna Philharmonic Orch, in Philips, perhaps of all the discography the better recorded, but of course may be others. oscar.olavarria

 

 

 

 

 

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Oscar, I note your comment about Klemperer in Tchaikovsky, but have you ever heard his recording of the 5th? It avoids all 'superficiality, vulgarity and cheap sentimentality'. It is a grand and noble reading, even though not particularly Russian in character. By the end you are left in no doubt that you have been listening to a great masterpiece.

Chris

Chris A.Gnostic

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colossal!!, of course, like all what Klemperer made, but you'll agree with me...the opposite to Mravinsky's conception, for example. In all case I'll hear it again, because of your opinion. oscar.olavarria

 

RE: Which is the authentic Tchaikovsky??

Oscar, yes indeed absolutely the opposite of Mravinsky. Magnificent too.

Chris A.Gnostic

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